DIY COW #111 – UNDERPANTS   74 comments

Here we go with challenge #111courtesy of Boaz. Do your best with UNDERPANTS boys and girls. Instructions are: maximum of FOUR clues each, no editing – deadline Friday 5pm. Have fun.

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Posted May 14, 2011 by Anax in DIYCOW

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  1. Agitated punters and jockeys (10)

    AGITATED = anagrind
    PUNTERS AND = fodder
    JOCKEYS = def

  2. Hi all,

    I should have course chosen ‘Nelson’ for clue 111, so apologies for that. Nevermind.

    Right then, as Anax has pointed out, maximum four clues each and slightly more controversially, no editing. I want to see polish in those clues, people. I don’t want them submitted until they’ve been buffed to a sparkle. The new forum doesn’t allow it, and there should be no need for it if you can polish the clue before submission. That way, hopefully we can clear the thread of revision, adjustment and amendment and keep it to the sort of white hot, stimulating cryptic chat we all know and love!

    Good luck, all. Strict cut off of 5.00pm BST on Friday.

  3. Boxers, for example, could be ruined without one (10)

    Under pants = (UNDER)* = RUINED – I with def by example “boxers”

  4. Down clue:

    Articles used by Europeans to cover bollocks? (10)

    UN + DER over (to cover) PANTS=bollocks

    Semi &lit; QM indicates that the same may apply to other nationalities

    Possibly the most clichéd way to clue UNDER, but what the heck.

  5. Breathes too little, but not worn out (10)

    UNDER PANTS = doesn’t breathe enough
    Not worn out = not outerwear, but underwear

    • I know, no editing – but that would have read better as “…isn’t worn out”.

      • Forget that. There are several better ways to express this idea, such as involving the word “garment”.

        “No editing” is probably a very good idea, as is “Thinking before posting”.

  6. The Urban Dictionary lists underpants as “Simply, the funniest word in the english language”, so it’s going to be difficult for us to do it justice.

    Commando goes without these skid protectors (10)

    Double def. Commandos allegedly don’t wear them, and they protect your outer garments.

  7. In the light of inadequate proposals to clamp down on misbehaving football fans:

    European articles criticise empty threats to tackle supporters (10)

    def: tackle supporters
    UN/DER (European articles) + PAN (criticise) + T(hreat)S

  8. Union leaders back socialist power workers in support of member (10)

    UN(ion) + RED< + P + ANTS

  9. Briefs misguided nun and departs (10)

    Def: Briefs

    (NUN DEPARTS) * MISGUIDED

  10. Item of clothing found in a bottom drawer? (10)

  11. 1) Pantalets cut short for hiding (or showing) masculinity ? (10)
    [ C.D. Pantalets (also pantalettes) are long underpants worn by women and girls in the 19th century]

    2) Mens’ panties? (10)
    [ C.D.]

  12. 3) Supporting removal of assigned time for workers to produce shorts (10)

    Definition = shorts

    UNDERP (INNING) ANTS

    4) Makes cheaper, food sent out for a worker producing shorts (10)

    Definition = shorts

    UNDERP (RICE)ANT S

  13. In a word, where briefs are filed? (10)

    In a word = instruction to make one word of UNDER PANTS, which is where briefs are filed.

    To QM or not to QM?!

    • Aplogies . . .

      I only surrounded the clue itself with the emboldening symbols. It’s only gone and set the whole post in bold, which rather defeats the object. Tch!

  14. Nearly nude wacko yearns to stash Queen’s intimate apparel (10)

    {NUD{-E}}* {ER} {PANTS=YEARNS}

    Wacko is an adjective in the cryptic reading.

    • Er… hopefully Boaz hasn’t written his judgment yet 😦

      Nude pervert yearns to smuggle Queen’s intimate apparel (10)

      {NUDE}* {R} {PANTS=YEARNS}

  15. Troublesome nuts pander to Paxman’s object of concern (10)

    def: Paxman’s object of concern (he criticised M&S underpants for their lack of support).
    Anagram (troublesome) of NUTS PANDER

  16. Bottom drawers? (10)

  17. Showing disorted nuts on the outside, an old man wears “Timeless Modern” knickers (10)

    Def. = knickers
    (PA = an old man) wears (mo)DERN (in NUTS*)

  18. Where the crown jewels are kept when not on display (10)

    CD

  19. Test D
    Please ignore this, I’m just testing the formatting on the new forumathing.
    Test E

  20. Test E
    Hang on, I’m getting the hang of it now.

    Ooh, minty
    Hull City rule.

  21. I present a small doubt to the members… Does ‘smell’ present itself as a valid containment indicator? If ‘eat’ is, why not ‘smell’? 😐

    • I don’t think ‘smell’ has the same sense of something being taken in. How about ‘inhale’?

      • I’d agree with Stevsie. I think ‘smell’ is more akin to ‘taste’ rather than ‘eat’, which I wouldn’t be keen on.

        I’m not sure how keen I’d be on ‘inhale’ either though, which seems to indicate only the process of drawing air into the lungs, rather than a wider sense of consumption in general.

      • Thanks Boaz and stevsie! From your points, I reckon ‘sniff’ would be better suited, given that the Chambers defines it as ‘to draw in’.

  22. They are used to cover misshapen nude parts around the middle of one (10)
    &lit (?)
    *NUDEPARTS around o(N)e

  23. Did Superman wear these out? (10)

    CD

  24. 2. Do they stop one’s old man escaping? (10)

    CD

  25. 1. Bloomers like wild petunias and roses, primarily out of Iowa (10) UNDERPANTS (PETUNIAS AND R)*(-ia)

    Bloomers = def
    wild = anagram indicator
    fodder = petunias and r (roses primarily)
    out of Iowa = deletion of IA

  26. O/T : Is there a way to contact other members here offline? Like private message in the previous forum.

  27. 2) Knight upset and agitated, having caught Queen in unmentionables (10)

    (N + AND + UPSET)* around R (Regina)

  28. Tough one this 😦

    Plants lose large part, first inferior bloomers (10)
    Def – bloomers
    Plants lose large part – ie – plants without the ‘l’
    First inferior – put a word for inferior first i.e. under

    • Not too sure about this one

      French won we hear, the German gasps ‘Knickers’!

      Def – knickers
      French won we hear – homophone for French one – Un
      The German – der – gasps – pants

  29. Stand up, the Queen names corrupt Boxers

    Def – Boxers
    anagram of ‘stand up, ER & n(ames)

  30. Subjected to pressure, workers use these to ‘cover your backside’ (10)

    Subjected to pressure, workers = UNDER P ANTS, the rest is the def

  31. For a down clue:

    Topless angels cover quiet soldier in intimate things (10)

    Def: Intimate things

    [F]UNDER{P ANT}S

  32. Gasps after star of Tomb Raider leaves crypt in lingerie (10)

    Def: Lingerie

    Under[croft] + pants

  33. Cover for choppers that’s inferior to flannel (10)

    inferior to = {UNDER} flannel = {PANTS}

  34. Things taken down during a debriefing? (10)

    CD

  35. Piano tuner struggled at first and adjusted more than just a G string (10)

    (P + TUNER + S + AND)*; definition: more than just a G string

  36. What ‘ighlanders eschew and spurn – the English affected missing “H” (10)

    def: What ‘ighlanders eschew, as in the absense of underkilt apparel.
    (AND SPURN THE – H)* with anagrind “English affected” = spun, being affected by English, or spin, as on a cue ball, for example. Affected on the surface meaning “pretentious and designed to impress”. Hmmm.

  37. The last thing taken off in the daily routine from Ern, stand-up comic (10)

    (ERN STAND UP)*

  38. With acknowledgement to SWK for the definition:

    They’re below cobblers and jockeys (10)

    jockeys = definition; UNDER (below) + PANTS (cobblers)

  39. 4) These are subject to the restraint of balls (10)

    Meant to be an &-lit. In the cryptic, subject to the restraint of = UNDER, as in ‘under an autocratic rule’ and PANTS = balls. On the surface, ‘subject’ is in the sense of being obligated.

  40. I know this doesn’t work but since nobody has attempted the ‘knickers in a twist’ treatment, I thought I’d throw it in at the end just for fun

    Nuns depart with knickers in a twist (10)

    • 5.01? 5.01?

      I’m going to disqualify it on the grounds of time and rubbishness if that’s OK with you?

      That’s your lot folks. Judging will appear later this evening – good luck everyone!

  41. OK, fasten your seatbelts for the tried and trusted wobbly reasoning, personal prejudices and arbitrary selection criteria extravaganza that is yet another…

    BOAZ’S JUDGING ROUND-UP

    SWK
    1: Agitated punters and jockeys (10)
    Neat little anagram entry to open proceedings this week. The anagrind is perhaps a little on the ‘flat’ side, in that it doesn’t really imbue the surface with much sparkle. Maybe something along the lines of ‘Jockeys and punters run riot’ would add a touch of fizz? No? Ok, then. My main concern however is with the definition, ‘Jockeys’. I’ve heard many a term for underpants in my life, but I’ve never heard them called jockeys. Jockstraps, obviously, and Chambers gives jockerstraps I believe, but not jockeys. A quick straw poll in the office this afternoon also revealed that no-one had heard of it either (I work in Bath if it’s a local thing). I may have allowed slightly more leeway in respect of a colloquialism if it had been indicated by way of a ? or !, but in the absence of either, I can’t put it forward onto the shortlist I’m afraid.

    Kororareka
    1: Boxers, for example, could be ruined without one (10)
    No such problem with the definition here of course. I do have a couple of issues however with this clue. The first is that ‘boxers’ is a definition ripe for misdirection, but Koro hasn’t really exploited it with his wordplay which makes no further reference to the noble art. That’s not a technical issue of course so much as a stylistic one but one if we’re reaching for the stars needs to be addressed. Another issue I have is that even despite the relatively straightforward definition, it is asking rather a lot of the solver. Reverse engineered whatsits (REW’s) are at the more complex end of the setter’s armoury and need, in my opinion, to be scrupulously fair. Here, were being asked not only to rearrange letters with no anagrind, which is fine in a REW of course, but before we do that we’re being asked to cryptically amend those letters. For me, that is a step too far in its own right, but the clue suffers a further problem in that the ungiven anagrind, ‘pants’, is in my opinion pretty weak as an anagrind in its own right, let alone as one that isn’t given to the solver. On this basis, I can’t put this clue onto the shortlist I’m afraid though I acknowledge another judge may well have placed this clue very highly. Know your audience, Koro. Smutty anagrams and cock gags will always score more highly with me than innovative wordplay and linguistic invention!

    2: What ‘ighlanders eschew and spurn – the English affected missing “H” (10)
    Heh, I love Koro. I’m not sure he’s capable of writing a dull clue. Linking the definition to the wordplay via the missing H is frankly brilliant clue-writing. I must confess however that I’m a little uneasy about the anagrind. I’ve never heard of ‘English spin’ but a Googleweb search reveals it is a term from the colonies for backspin so I suppose ‘English affected’ should pass muster. For a colonial. I like this clue a lot, and I’m going to SHORTLIST it, if only to postpone having to rule on the anagrind.

    Qix
    1: Articles used by Europeans to cover bollocks? (10)
    I think Qix is doing this a clue a disservice by describing it as a semi&lit – I think this fulfils all the criteria of a fully fledged &lit, so kudos to Qix! Slight quibble on ‘bollocks’ for ‘pants’, but I think they’re synonymous enough to butter my parsnips. As a fully fledged &lit with a saucy surface, this is of course SHORTLISTED.

    2: Breathes too little, but not worn out / isn’t worn out (10)
    Qix not only dillied over the second half of his clue, but he positively dallied too. Which is ironic as the real problem for me is with the first half. ‘Breathes too little’ is surely a matter of opinion rather than a clear description of ‘underpants’. I’ve had some mighty fine crackers in my time that have provided me with magnificent aeration. Something like ‘Some may say they breathe too little, but they’re not worn out’ may have rescued the clue in this respect.

    3: Union leaders back socialist power workers in support of member (10)
    A couple of minor quibbles on this one I’m afraid. Personally, I’m not keen on ‘leaders’ to indicate an indeterminate number of letters from the beginning of a word. There’s no indication here that the solver should be using UN, or UNI or even UNIO. Secondly, using ‘back’ as an imperative instruction to reverse the following word also seems pretty weak. I also can’t get my head round whether ‘support of member’ is a strong enough def. I’m going to say it is, but can’t help feel that a rewritten clue including ‘member supports’ or ‘member’s support’ would have been much stronger. I’ve not shortlisted it however on the basis of the other minor quibbles.

    4: Where the crown jewels are kept when not on display (10)
    When I set the challenge, my initial thought was that it was ripe for a good cryptic def, and this is from the top drawer. I would snigger like a schoolboy if I came across this in a crossword. On a technical matter, I’d expect to see a ? or ! at the end, just as a hint to the solver that we’re being a bit saucy, but of course this must be SHORTLISTED.

    Gymbunnies
    1: Commando goes without these skid protectors (10)
    I like the idea behind this and ‘skid protectors’ is a suitably gruesome definition. My problem however is that ‘going commando’ is just a saying as far as I know, and unlike some traditional Scottish regiments, they do wear underwear. I think you’d need to make reference to a group who are known to eschew the wonders of underpants (such as Scotsmen?) to make this clue work, rather than using a group who I do believe support the supports.

    Gazza
    1: European articles criticise empty threats to tackle supporters (10)
    I’m going to have to poop this party I’m afraid. I know this clue has been shown a lot of love on the forum but I’m afraid I’m going to have to get technical on its ass. Tackle in ‘tackle supporters’ is a noun. Tackle in ‘to tackle supporters’ is a verb. No ambiguity, no argument, no misdirection. It’s a verb and you can’t use it as a noun if it has been clearly and unambiguously outed as a verb. As ever, Alberich can explain it better than I ever could:

    Animal returns to grass (4)
    (here) “to” is a link word. It is also largely superfluous, although it can be argued that “to” means “leading to” i.e. the wordplay is “leading to” the answer. Ximenes would have no truck with (this) example, and neither would I. DEER returns to give REED (the answer) – fair enough at first sight, but the solver could legitimately claim s/he was looking for a synonym of the verb “to grass” – to inform on
    .

    Readers who wish to read more of Alberich’s excellent guide to Ximenean cluing may do so here:
    http://www.alberichcrosswords.com/pages/id51.html

    2: Troublesome nuts pander to Paxman’s object of concern (10)
    Minor quibble in that Jezza’s object of concern would surely be an underpant, rather than underpants? I do like the use of ‘nuts’ in the fodder but I’m wondering how they could possibly pander to anything, especially if they are so troublesome. On the whole though, the clue just lacks a soupcon of sparkle for a competition entry.

    Prolixic
    1: Briefs misguided nun and departs (10)
    Fair but uninspiring def, fair but uninspiring anagrand, fair but uninspiring anagram, fair but uninspiring surface. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this clue, and if I came across it in a crossword I’d solve it and move on with barely a second thought, which is kind of its problem when being put forward as a competition entry. Maybe I’m being a bit harsh given the technical weaknesses submitted elsewhere this week. The clue is after all technically fair, has a sense of misdirection in the double meaning of briefs, and provides a coherent surface. It just doesn’t come to life for me I’m afraid.

    2: Topless angels cover quiet soldier in intimate things (10)
    I have a problem with ‘funders’ for angels but that’s more of a personal issue and I won’t mark you down for such a widely accepted synonym. My main issue is with the surface – it just doesn’t gel coherently for me. It doesn’t express a view, or paint a picture in its own right which is enough to deny it a place on the shortlist I’m afraid.

    3: Gasps after star of Tomb Raider leaves crypt in lingerie (10)
    This clue has grown on me since I first read it – the surface paints a memorable image in the way for example that Prolixic2 doesn’t. My issue is over the appropriateness of ‘lingerie’ for ‘underpants’. To my mind, lingerie implies a degree of frilliness or even sauciness that is surely missing from ‘underpants’. I’m struggling to think of any sentence that would not drastically alter in meaning if you were to swap the words? Would you admit to your work colleagues you were wearing red lingerie in the office? Would you turn off the football and rush upstairs if the missus whispered she’d bought some new underpants? I suspect not, so I’m afraid I’m going to have to pass on this clue I’m afraid, which is a shame as I really like the surface.

    4: Things taken down during a debriefing? (10)
    Heh. Much more like it. Raises a chuckle and even has the ? at the end that was missing from Qix4. Obviously SHORTLISTED

    boxwood
    1: Item of clothing found in a bottom drawer? (10)
    2: Bottom drawers? (10)
    I’ve linked these two together as they’re pretty similar. They both suffer from the issue that underpants are drawers, full stop. They don’t need qualifying with ‘bottom’ as there are no such things as ‘top drawers’ from which they need distinguishing. The first clue also suffers from the fact that it is apparently ‘underpant’, rather than underpants that is being clued.

    3: Showing disorted nuts on the outside, an old man wears “Timeless Modern” knickers (10)
    I think there’s a good clue in here somewhere, unfortunately the surface loses its way a little towards the end. ‘Timeless modern knickers’ doesn’t really cut it for me as a phrase for me I’m afraid. Again though, like the idea of working ‘nuts’ into the clue, but not enough to shortlist it I’m afraid.

    4: They are used to cover misshapen nude parts around the middle of one (10)
    I think for an &lit to work, the answer must be being unambiguously defined. Here, I suspect it is perfectly possible that underpants may be worn that cover perfectly formed nude parts. Also, ‘middle of one’ is very clumsy phrasing – surely ‘one’s middle’ would have worked much better?

    S T Sahasrabudhe
    1) Pantalets cut short for hiding (or showing) masculinity ? (10)
    I’m guessing here that masculinity is being used as a synonym of penis? In which case I don’t see how underpants can be used to show it off? Surely in all cases they hide, rather than show? Or have I been wearing them incorrectly all these years? The mind boggles.

    2) Mens’ panties? (10)
    This reads more like a simple straight definition than a workable cryptic one I’m afraid.

    3) Supporting removal of assigned time for workers to produce shorts (10)
    A couple of issues here. Firstly, I think the word being subtracted is properly ‘innings’ rather than inning but apologies if there is some language nuance or overseas usage at play here. Secondly, I don’t like that stray ‘for’ in the middle of the clue. It’s necessary for the surface of course, but is serving no cryptic purpose.

    4) Makes cheaper, food sent out for a worker producing shorts (10)
    I can just about, at a pinch live with ‘underprices’ for ‘makes cheaper’, but again, a stray ‘for’ has crept into the surface. Also, there appears to be no instruction to the solver to place ANT ‘in’ ‘UNDERP—S’, as a result of which a make the answer UNDERPSANT.

    Axiom
    1: In a word, where briefs are filed? (10)
    I like the idea behind this clue. It relies on ‘pants’ being a synonym of ‘trousers’, but I can live with that. What spoils it for me however is the word ‘filed’. I may be in the minority on this, but I simply don’t file my underpants. I wear them, sport them and don them, but I can’t say I’ve ever ‘filed’ them. Shame, as the idea behind the clue, and the ‘in a word’ device were very innovative.

    Shyam
    1: Nude pervert yearns to smuggle Queen’s intimate apparel (10)
    Solid clue all round I think. Solid anagram, good anagrind, solid inserticator, fair def and sound surface. I can’t put my finger however on why this isn’t floating my boat which must be really annoying, so apologies for that Shyam! I can’t fault it technically and the surface paints a coherent picture. It is more engaging than Prolixic1 for example which is another perfectly fair clue that just didn’t come alive for me so I’d feel pretty hard done by if I were you, Shyam, but it’s just not lighting my fire. I’d have no problems with it in a crossword, but I can’t find that extra little something that distinguishes the best competition clues.

    2: Knight upset and agitated, having caught Queen in unmentionables (10)
    Right, Shyam and Dram can feel especially hard done by this week but we’re touching here on one of my pet cryptic peeves, which I know I stand alone on but which I can’t help. We all hate the indirect anagram, yes? How that if we’re expected to guess at word, then rearrange it, it is effectively a clue to a clue and clearly unfair to the solver. Well here, and in Dram2 below, we’re being given components of the anagram in cryptic form. To my mind, it is as much an indirect anagram and ‘clue to a clue’ as the more straightforward indirect anagram that is universally frowned upon and openly tutted at.

    I do of course apologise for bringing this personal prejudice of mine into the proceedings, and I do readily acknowledge that another poster may well rate these clues highly.

    3: Cover for choppers that’s inferior to flannel (10)
    This has some really good stuff going for it. An amusing def fo’ sho, and some lovely misdirection with ‘flannel’. My one quibble is with ‘inferior to’ for ‘under’. They’re close, but I don’t think we’re quite there in terms of close enough synonyms. I’m quite sure you’ll be able to provide me with any number of sentences in which they can be interchanged with no loss of meaning, but at the moment I’m struggling, so apologies in advance for that.

    4: These are subject to the restraint of balls (10)
    I think for an &lit, the surface would need to make much clearer that it is the balls that are being restrained by the underpants. In this clue, it seems as though the surface is hinting that the underpants are being somehow restrained by the balls. Now we’ve already established that I may have been wearing my crackers incorrectly for years now, but that’s not how I wear them.

    Croque
    1: Did Superman wear these out? (10)
    Short, amusing, straightforward cryptic. SHORTLISTED

    2: Do they stop one’s old man escaping? (10)
    Even when going commando, my old man has never done a runner. He’s always been pretty much wherever I’ve left him so I’d have to say that no, they don’t stop him escaping.

    Bhavan
    Bloomers like wild petunias and roses, primarily out of Iowa (10)
    Nice idea. Note how Bhavan has linked the definition to the wordplay in a way that wasn’t attempted in Koroareka1. My issues with it remain the indirectly given anagram fodder issue outlined in Shyam2, and the use of ‘out of Iowa’ as an instruction to delete the letters IA. To my mind, ‘out of’ simply doesn’t equate to ‘remove’.

    Pebsib
    1: Plants lose large part, first inferior bloomers (10)
    Couple of issues here. I don’t like ‘large part’ for L. Large for L I can accept but not ‘large part’. Secondly, I’m not keen on inferior for under, so please accept my pre-emptive apologies that I issued in Shyam3. Also, the surface doesn’t really gel coherently for me. All in all, I know you can do better, Pepsib!

    2: French won we hear, the German gasps ‘Knickers’!
    Dear oh dear, Pebsib! ‘French won we hear’ for Un? Deary, deary me! Firstly, ‘one’ doesn’t rhyme with ‘won’, at least where I’m from (Hull) and secondly even if it did, the way you’ve clued it makes no sense. I think we’d better just skip this clue and move on!

    3: Stand up, the Queen names corrupt Boxers (10)
    This is more like it, Pepsib. Unfortunately you’ve fallen foul of my personal bugbear highlighted in Shyam2. Your anagram fodder to my mind has been clued indirectly. Take solace from the fact that a more expert and objective judge will probably have placed this clue quite highly.

    Dram
    1: Subjected to pressure, workers use these to ‘cover your backside’ (10)
    Typical Dram. Solid construction, good surface, technically sound. Can’t fault it but like Shyam1, it just fails to float my boat for some reason. It lacks that little spark to set it apart from other clues that is the hallmark of a good competition winner.

    2: Piano tuner struggled at first and adjusted more than just a G string (10)
    Let’s face it, in another week, with another judge, this would have won. It has everything you need in a clue and hangs together beautifully. As I have highlighted in Shyam2 however, I just have a real bugbear with anagram fodder being cryptically clued. In this case the problem is compounded by two letters (P and S) being given to the solver only after the solving of a cryptic clue. If the anagram is the clue, then I can’t see how in this case ‘piano’ and ‘struggled at first’ aren’t clues to that clue. What is being offered here is an indirect anagram by another name.

    Once again, I apologise for letting personal prejudice overcome judge’s objectivity but once again, I can only advise that you take solace in the knowledge that in another week, this would have been a clear winner.

    3: The last thing taken off in the daily routine from Ern, stand-up comic (10)
    A good filler clue this, but I think for it to be a competition winner, you’d need the name of a proper stand-up comic to be part of the anagram fodder. ‘Ern’ just doesn’t cut it in this regard I’m afraid but as I say, a solid ‘filler’ clue that I’d have no problems with in a proper crossword.

    Cutlp
    1: They’re below cobblers and jockeys (10)
    I like the sentiment behind this clue. Unfortunately that ‘they’re’ at the beginning is superfluous and rather misleading and I have an issue with jockeys as the def as I outlined in SWK1. Tough break though, as I do like the construction and surface.

    Right, so the shortlist is:

    Koro: What ‘ighlanders eschew and spurn – the English affected missing “H” (10)

    Qix: Articles used by Europeans to cover bollocks? (10)

    Qix: Where the crown jewels are kept when not on display (10)

    Prolixic: Things taken down during a debriefing? (10)

    Croque: Did Superman wear these out? (10)

    And if I say so myself, a mighty fine shortlist it is too! I’m going to go home now and ponder over dinner and a glass of wine the relative merits of these five beauties and reach a final judgment later tonight.

  42. Good luck picking the boners out of those Boaz and thanks for the usual exquisitely detailed scrutiny. You were quite right about my second effort (sadly). Am kicking myself that I could not make the other idea of a definition for the last clue work: ‘pull these up over short fat hairy legs’ – and then you will at least have known which Ern I was on about! It has been a very enjoyable week – a great word to pick.

  43. Right then, here we go. First off, let me say that all shortlisted clues could be winners. Once they get onto the shortlist, there is very little to separate them and we’re really only talking about personal preference and get feeling. So, that said, here we go with the top 3.

    Third Place: Kororareka
    What ‘ighlanders eschew and spurn – the English affected missing “H” (10)
    I love the construction of this clue, but ultimately I’m not sure it would make any sense to anyone from the UK reading the winner’s archive in the weeks and months to come.

    Second Place: Croque
    Did Superman wear these out? (10)
    Very little to choose between three excellent cryptic defs this week, but this one nicks it for me for its simplicity. Good stuff.

    Winner: Qix
    Articles used by Europeans to cover bollocks? (10)
    &lits always score highly in competitions and rightly so – they are difficult to construct but have an elegance and appeal of their own. Add in a touch of sauciness as well, and you’ve got yourself a very deserving winner.

    Congratulations Qix, may I pass the poisoned chalice to you!

  44. Thanks to Boaz for the detailed and entertaining analysis, and (I guess!) for the chalice.

    As dram said, the choice of word made for some entertaining possibilities, so thanks also for that. I’ll try to come up with something suitable for the coming week.

  45. Thanks Boaz…in defence of my “jockeys” I guess it’s another of those cultural divide things….here in Sydney the term is synonymous with undies! (Yeah yeah I know….gotta remember the rules when playing an away game).

    Great fun and well judged.

  46. Excellent work, Boaz. Thank you.

  47. The next challenge is now up at the other place

  48. My thanks also to Boaz for the entertaining and forensic analysis. Gosh, you’re a hard man to please!

    Re. Jockeys

    Jockey is an international brand of mens underwear, so, in the same way that Levis have become synonymous with jeans and DMs synonymous with boots, Jockeys have become, to some at least (including Mrs cutlp), synonymous with underpants.

    See http://www.jockeyinternational.com/

    Having said that, I guess jockeys ought to be disqualified anyway as, being a brand name, it probably should be capitalized.

    • FAO Cutlp and SWK

      Fair points both on ‘jockeys’ (brand names and local idioms). On the local usage thing, I can only say I’ve not heard of it, so apologies. My brother it turns out has, so it may be that I work with a bunch of idiots and you’ve been harshly judged in that respect!

      On the brandname thing, I have no problem with brandnames in crosswords. My issue is that if that was the def, it was a definition by example so I’d have expected to see it clued as such, either by a ? or a maybe / possibly sort of device. I’d also have expected to see it capitalised as referring to the brandname.

      It really is pretty technical this crosswording lark isn’t it!

  49. Thanks boaz, for a great judging. As for my clue I fear my attempt at some sort of pun died on stage. What I had loosely imagined was a scene in a barrister’s chambers where a new secretary had been given the thankless job of filing away the mounting piles of paperwork. She picks up some folders tied with pink ribbon and asks “Where should I file these briefs?” The answer comes back, amidst an eruption of high-fiving and guffawing, “Under Pants!”

  50. Congratulations Qix on an excellent clue, I thought that although the word was open to humourous attempts this week it was nevertheless a difficult one to define, thanks Boaz for your thorough and fair judging, I know my clues were pretty pathetic but as I say I did think it difficult and I do like to have a go!

  51. Wow! After that detailed and entertaining judgement I’m unsure whether I’d ever want to win! Thanks to boaz.

    I now have to find ‘the other place’…

  52. Here it is Croque:
    http://www.ukpuzzle.com/phpBB3/index.php

    You’ll need to register – standard phpBB forum procedure!
    Qix cleverly hyperlinked it as ‘the other place’.

  53. Done and done! Thanks!

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